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Something for the weekend? (Recs)

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Just to show that a good episode can be just as aggravating as a lousy one (if not more so), SPN 5.10 seems to have, justifiably, irked people for a number of reasons. Here are a couple of things to make it better.

[info - personal] oselle's hysterical riff on the sometimes painful experience of being a Supernatural fan.

And once you have read that, go over and read the responses it got when it was re-posted to metaquotes, which will make you realize that WE ARE NOT ALONE.

Also, chiiyo86 posted the first story in the hoodie_time (AKA sickdean) fic challenge, which just happens to be for one my prompts. It was kind of a cracky prompt, but she turned it into a lovely, substantial story, with pitch-perfect brotherly bickering and poignant S5 angst.

It's here: Pig in a Poke. Enjoy!
  • Hee, thank you for the kind words! I just couldn't resist S5 angst ^^

    Seriously, I'm so very, very happy you enjoyed it. It's great motivation for writing your other prompt (hmm, future!Dean and future!Castiel... It will be gen, just so you know; I'm a gen writer/reader through and through!).
    • Oh, I enjoyed it so much! I particularly like fics where both boys are sick, so it was a special treat in that regard too!

      Gen is awesome--I enjoy slash if it's good, but, like you, I can pretty much only write gen. Really looking forward to seeing where you go with the idea!
  • Y'know, I'm not surprised that people were irked by the episode because it killed off two of the show's only recurring female characters and so revived the long-standing argument that the show is sexist. But I'm also annoyed by others being irked because this episode delivered on the one and only thing the show ever really needs to do -- it told a great story. The show's primary business is not being gender-balanced or putting forth some sort of positive representations of women or minorities or anyone else. The show is supposed to tell a story. That's it. If they finally manage to create a great episode and half the fandom protests its "sexism" while ignoring the story...well, I just worry about what sorts of messages the writers get.

    Frankly, if the episode had been sexist, the story wouldn't have been as good. This episode, IMO, actually managed, for just about the first time ever, to cede the spotlight entirely to two women and allowed those women to deliver one of the most powerful scenes in the show's entire history. I don't consider that sexist at all. I'd rather have ten minutes of amazing Jo and Ellen (even if they wind up dying for it) than an entire season of weak female characters that serve no purpose other than being eye candy or sexual tension.

    Okaaay, that was an unexpected rantlet.

    Oh, and thanks for the rec!
    • You're very welcome!

      Frankly, if the episode had been sexist, the story wouldn't have been as good.
      This is an excellent point--and I completely agree with you that that sequence of scenes of Jo and Ellen dying were really one of the best scenes SPN has ever done--it easily topped many of the really good Sam n' Dean scenes over the years. And it was kind of astonishing to see the show give that to women characters--one of whom, Jo, they haven't done much of anything with over the years (and AT totally ran with it).

      I thought there were annoying things about the ep.--the way it continued the kind of stagnant narrative they have going this season, and Sam n' Dean being doofuses, BUT, when has SPN ever been a show that excelled at plot? Right. What it does do well, when it does something well, are these awesomely emotional, rip-your-heart-out scenes about family (and sacrifice), and on that score 5.10 really delivered.

      So, I'm also a little puzzled by how outraged people were by it....

      I think I'm going to watch the episode again over the weekend, see what I think on second viewing...

      Happy Thanksgiving!
      • So, I'm also a little puzzled by how outraged people were by it....

        I'm not. There are people (many of them residing on TWoP) who have decided to lock themselves into a mode of thinking and so feel compelled to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything that they think supports that mode of thinking. I.e.: SPN is sexist, therefore, killing two female characters is automatically proof of that sexism and must be loudly protested in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

        Jo was introduced in S2 as a romantic interest for Dean. It became quickly apparent to many viewers that the actress herself was too young and the character was written in such a way that she seemed more like a bratty kid sister than a plausible love interest. The chemistry that developed between the two actors bore this out. I was a very casual viewer of S2 and in the few episodes that I caught, I got the impression that Jo really was supposed to be some sort of young cousin or other relative of the boys. I also thought she was only supposed to be 18 or so. When I became a fan of the show later, I was really surprised to see that the original dynamic between Jo and Dean was supposed to have been romantic. The vibe was just never there, no matter how "cute" the show tried to get about it. It was refreshing and rewarding to see the show write Jo out with a phenomenal episode that allowed her to be brave and heroic as opposed to just cute and sexy. It's amazing what they can do with a character when they stop thinking about her as just some skirt. It is kind of a shame that they couldn't manage to do this while the character was actually alive, but I'll take what I can get.

        Sam n' Dean being doofuses

        The show has long been attached to this idea and it is annoying, because there's no way these two guys could have managed to stay alive if they were really that dense. The show seems to prefer to depict Sam and Dean succeeding via brawn and dumb luck rather than brains. I think it would be a lot more interesting to see them be clever and thoughtful about what they do, but that lacks the sort of Michael Bay-esque spectacle potential that Kripke seems fond of. Well, I guess that is what we have fanfic for.

        Happy Thanksgiving to you too!
        • here are people (many of them residing on TWoP) who have decided to lock themselves into a mode of thinking and so feel compelled to have a knee-jerk reaction to anything that they think supports that mode of thinking. I.e.: SPN is sexist, therefore, killing two female characters is automatically proof of that sexism and must be loudly protested in spite of any evidence to the contrary.

          True--though, ironically, the incredibly annoying recapper at TWoP liked 5.10 a lot.

          You know, I watched the epi. again last night, and I have to go on record as really liking it too. It's only the Sam-Lucifer scene that gets silly/ drags--the rest of it rattles along and really delivers that emotional punch.

          It was refreshing and rewarding to see the show write Jo out with a phenomenal episode that allowed her to be brave and heroic as opposed to just cute and sexy. It's amazing what they can do with a character when they stop thinking about her as just some skirt.
          Yes! And watching that scene again, I was even more impressed at how Edlund had made Jo and Ellen so brave and tough and yet still women--their emotionality and open expression of love for each other was so in character, and so un-Winchester-like, it was really refreshing.

          And yes--fanfic is our salvation, isn't it!
          • The incredibly annoying recapper at TWoP (whom I personally consider a lot worse than just annoying) enjoys pissing off the message board members and considers most of the show's fans to be a laughable bunch of silly twats, so even if he hadn't liked 5:10 he would have said he liked 5:10 just to stick it to the people that he knew wouldn't like it because they thought it was sexist. The knee-jerk sexist/homophobic/racist factions over there are on the boards, not part of "management," as are the Dean's-A-Prick gang and the Sam's-An-Innocent-Lamb cabal. Dear God, I hate that place.

            I agree that the Sam-Lucifer scenes were a weak point. Even though Lucifer had a ritual to get to and all, it just seems ridiculous that he would have been so cavalier about finally having Sam within his grasp. I mean, this is supposed to be his vessel, the one means by which he can battle for universal domination and he's just like..."Oh, hi Sam. See you in Detroit."

            Plus...you'd think he'd have had an interest in killing Dean while he had the chance, what with Dean being fated as his mortal enemy's vessel and all. Since we've seen over and over that even minor demons can kill someone just by making their head do a 180 on their neck, you'd think Lucifer would have seized the opportunity to do more than fling "Michael's sword" into a tree.

            Yeah, you'd think a lotta things. LOL!
            • Yeah, you'd think a lotta things. LOL!>

              LOL--like why didn't Crowley try to kill Lucifer with the gun, if he'd had it for so long? And why didn't Dean kill Meg when he had her in point blank range...

              We're never gonna make it if we sweat the details...

              I should probably resolve to think less, and feel more...
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